tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post3102814579765672584..comments2024-03-24T15:07:18.773+01:00Comments on The Stuttering Brain: On causality, correlation, experience, and interpretation of experienceTom Weidighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02084153394215001999noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-40133077663796307082010-10-24T10:53:42.024+02:002010-10-24T10:53:42.024+02:00Wow, that's alot of philosophy just to refute ...Wow, that's alot of philosophy just to refute someone's interpretation of their reasons for stuttering! Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, especially one thatrelates to their disability. Let's not be overly-sensitive and believe that every comment made regarding stuttering has to be philosophically concrete and scientifically verified or forever silenced.Cesarnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-68275618110907362552010-10-23T01:34:11.179+02:002010-10-23T01:34:11.179+02:00different people who stutter have different causes...different people who stutter have different causes...what is stuttering? What is not stuttering?<br /><br />What happens if what we think is stuttering is not really stuttering, then we are in Big trouble.<br /><br />have to compare apples to apples, if you think an orange is an apple, and give the definition of an apple based on your experiments on an orange and your observations of it, then everything is trash....and need to start overAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-41101567940413291272010-10-22T20:41:23.263+02:002010-10-22T20:41:23.263+02:00If you think that more people should know about Pu...If you think that more people should know about Purity12 then be part of the network marketing opportunity they offer. It's a good way to spread the health and the wealth that Purity12 is known for. http://if1s.com?114purity12loverhttp://if1s.com?114noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-7012177854036606282010-10-22T15:23:43.188+02:002010-10-22T15:23:43.188+02:00But I am not defending it????
I am just saying th...But I am not defending it????<br /><br />I am just saying that observing it once is not enough. You need to see the correlation several time across several people to exclude a spurious correlation.<br /><br />Again, if you are right that stress is modulating stuttering, then it's clear that stuttering will first appear when under stress. But then I would not really take about a cause or even a clear trigger.<br /><br />It's like a dysfuntional car engine. You will only notice the imperfection when the engine is put under stress, e.g. heat or top performance.<br /><br />But the heat or top performance has nothing to do with the cause. You cannot even talk about a trigger. If the engine blows up, you could talk about them being a trigger. But if it just makes a strange noise or underperforms, is not really a trigger?<br /><br />Working on stress will certainly help pws even in the cases where they still stutter the same, at least they do it without stress.Tom Weidighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02084153394215001999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-80308594989168869462010-10-22T15:21:52.348+02:002010-10-22T15:21:52.348+02:00But I am not defending it????
I am just saying th...But I am not defending it????<br /><br />I am just saying that observing it once is not enough. You need to see the correlation several time across several people to exclude a spurious correlation.<br /><br />Again, if you are right that stress is modulating stuttering, then it's clear that stuttering will first appear when under stress. But then I would not really take about a cause or even a clear trigger.<br /><br />It's like a dysfuntional car engine. You will only notice the imperfection when the engine is put under stress, e.g. heat or top performance.<br /><br />Working on stress will certainly help pws even in the cases where they still stutter the same, at least they do it without stress.Tom Weidighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02084153394215001999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-6768230540187170492010-10-22T11:24:06.360+02:002010-10-22T11:24:06.360+02:00Tom, I think you are trying to defend the indefens...Tom, I think you are trying to defend the indefensible. The indications that stuttering is TO SOME EXTENT linked to some form of localised tension and/or general stress are overwhelming. Yes, there are many PWS who stutter while relaxed, but that can be ascribed to the effect of learning and conditioning. Many, many PWSs and case histories attest to this link, and to just say that they are all deluded is rather ... well, unsatisfactory. When a PWS says that stress was a factor in him beginning to stutter it should not be dismissed out of hand as you have done. Just because a PWS is not a therapist does not mean that he doesn't know anything about his own disorder. Each case should be checked as carefully as possible to establish whether stress may have been a trigger in him beginning to stutter. <br /><br />I agree that stress / tension, in any of its many forms, does not in itself cause stuttering, but it is definitely a factor in many cases if not in all. It's the elephant in the stuttering room ...Peter Louwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11762124725640299873noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-92210073862406739582010-10-21T15:43:34.457+02:002010-10-21T15:43:34.457+02:00@Peter:
Yes, it would be fuzzy thinking to conclu...@Peter:<br /><br />Yes, it would be fuzzy thinking to conclude after one observation.<br /><br />The issue is whether this correlation happened by chance or not.<br /><br />The more often you see this correlation the less likely it is random.<br /><br />So once you tell me that it happened several times, i.e. the correlation stuttering-stress, it becomes more likely that it's a real correlation.<br /><br />It's also important that stress seems to modulate stuttering rather than cause stuttering.Tom Weidighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02084153394215001999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-60831610906753061442010-10-21T15:32:28.247+02:002010-10-21T15:32:28.247+02:00Stuttering Brain?
It is easy to see why Judy Kust...Stuttering Brain?<br /><br />It is easy to see why Judy Kuster put you on the "DO NOT REPOND TO" email she sent out to the "Ask the Prof" group during this ISAD Conference.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-9199795114035093062010-10-21T14:55:19.496+02:002010-10-21T14:55:19.496+02:00You are right. For years I believed my stuttering ...You are right. For years I believed my stuttering didn't start until I was 10 years old, which coincided neatly with the birth of my sister (I had been an only child until then), and so speech therapists and psychologists liked to pinpoint this as the stressful trigger event.<br /><br />However, my last speech therapist, which I started seeing just last year, said that could not be quite right, since childhood stuttering typically only starts as late as 8 years old due to some characteristics of the brain. So she said I was probably showing some early signs of stuttering that were not as dramatic, but were still of my stuttering.<br /><br />I called my mother to ask her about it and she said I had been having trouble speaking since I was 5 years old, but they didn't make a big deal of it because I didn't seem to mind.<br /><br />I only started to mind it when I was around 10 years old, and that's why I used to think it began at that age. But I think it's impossible to tell if it became worse and it got me more self-conscious about it, or if it became worse *because* I got more self-conscious about it.Ralphnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-75122854627739681012010-10-21T14:42:48.990+02:002010-10-21T14:42:48.990+02:00Hi Tom
I agree with much of your response, yes in...Hi Tom<br /><br />I agree with much of your response, yes indeed we should be careful before making inferences. But take the following example. I remember a case history, mentioned by a SLP, where a medical doctor started stuttering while in huge stress – he was treating patients during and after a bombardement in wartime. When this crisis ended, his fluency returned (though his stuttering would occasionally come back in later life when in stress). Would it be fuzzy thinking to conclude that the stress and the stuttering were somehow linked? I think it would be a reasonable inference. Surely it would be fuzzy thinking to see the stress and the stuttering as unrelated?<br /><br />I am, of course, not saying that ALL stuttering is triggered by a single traumatic, stressful event, but some cases do indicate this.<br /><br />Regards<br /><br />PeterPeter Louwhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11762124725640299873noreply@blogger.com