tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post8993101974618955218..comments2024-03-24T15:07:18.773+01:00Comments on The Stuttering Brain: Pagoclone: Data locked & results known?Tom Weidighttp://www.blogger.com/profile/02084153394215001999noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-85624305622743290552010-05-18T21:41:17.690+02:002010-05-18T21:41:17.690+02:00I want to participate to the Pagoclone trial study...I want to participate to the Pagoclone trial study. I am living in Quebec Canada. Is there any trial taking place in Canada? If not, can I attend to any trial in US? Thanks a lot for your help.<br />Belinda.<br />email: barbaresques@hotmail.comAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-68249555752722773762010-05-18T21:32:51.816+02:002010-05-18T21:32:51.816+02:00I want to participate to the Pagoclone trial study...I want to participate to the Pagoclone trial study. I am living in Quebec Canada. Is there any trial taking place in Canada? If not, can I attend to any trial in US? Thanks a lot for your help.<br />Belinda.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-84076132847104294782010-03-30T02:20:04.406+02:002010-03-30T02:20:04.406+02:00About the info from your reader, the study is defi...About the info from your reader, the study is definitely still going and any conclusions are a long way off!<br /><br />Read all about it:<br /><br />http://pagoclone.blogspot.com/-https://www.blogger.com/profile/04104365692112080505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-12417730068540040632010-03-25T21:59:44.555+01:002010-03-25T21:59:44.555+01:00To Harry,
it's my experience:
1) Statisticia...To Harry,<br /><br />it's my experience:<br /><br />1) Statisticians get things wrong, and apply stats blindly and surprisingly often with passive understanding.<br /><br />2) A vast majority of scientists has not clue about statistics.<br /><br />3) My generalizations are generalizations in that they on average are right.Tom Weidighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02084153394215001999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-18467598059962882792010-03-25T16:45:57.440+01:002010-03-25T16:45:57.440+01:00Tom writes.... "They might have 2-3 statistic...Tom writes.... "They might have 2-3 statistician, but the vast majority have no clue about statistics, measurement biases, and mathematics."<br />Firstly, if a statistician doesn't have a clue about statistics, then god help us!<br />Secondly, it's like someone saying to you "A vast majority of scientists don't have a clue about science"<br />Thirdly, you should look at some of the generalisations and non-sense you write.Harrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-12910564404316703002010-03-23T18:08:24.268+01:002010-03-23T18:08:24.268+01:00I work in science. My view is that statistics is v...I work in science. My view is that statistics is valuable and important but at the same time it is overvalued and can be misused. From what I have observed most scientists don’t understand statistics very deeply and can be seduced by fancy statistical jargon without really understanding what it means. Statisticians, even ones who know science, have a difficult time seeing the big picture and don’t fully understand the nuances of scientific data. I am of the opinion that actually looking at the data without fancy statistical analysis can be very informative but I seem to be in a minority these days.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-83439017264155685392010-03-23T01:37:35.186+01:002010-03-23T01:37:35.186+01:00Yes it is a real concern that there is more pressu...Yes it is a real concern that there is more pressure on researchers to achieve the results that they were aiming to achieve than to resolve the overall problem. It is a concern for people who stutter who want real results but I guess if I was in the researchers position I might use a few of the loop holes available to keep the gravy train moving.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-12731954461889250252010-03-22T17:20:41.106+01:002010-03-22T17:20:41.106+01:00You can only truly understand a paper if you have ...You can only truly understand a paper if you have done the calculations yourself independently without looking at how they did it. That's the plain truth.<br /><br />Though you can point out weaknesses, suggestions and flaws without re-doing the work, but you will not find all weaknesses and flaws...<br /><br />They should release the underlying data so that everyone can make up their mind and some of us re-do the statistics!Tom Weidighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02084153394215001999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-81489781973375765382010-03-22T15:30:32.438+01:002010-03-22T15:30:32.438+01:00I think there is a broader point to be made here t...I think there is a broader point to be made here too, which is that most readers of journal articles don't really understand the statistics which have been carried out. Hand on heart, how many readers really understand the tests used in most journal articles? Is enough information given about the data, design, etc. to even be able to make a judgement? More worrying do academic reviewers actually understand the tests used in article the editor has sent them for review?Dave Rowleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05075890277885768921noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-53909617217109186002010-03-22T08:33:51.777+01:002010-03-22T08:33:51.777+01:00"Regarding your concerns, I doubt there is &q..."Regarding your concerns, I doubt there is "one" statistician analyzing the data. Rather, I am inclined to believe there are many professionals working on this." <br /><br />They might have 2-3 statistician, but the vast majority have no clue about statistics, measurement biases, and mathematics. They are passive consumers, and won't detect subtle errors. And there are those statisticians which are good and those who just do procedures. Given the nature of stuttering, subtleties may distort results.<br /><br />"My knowledge of the program is limited, but I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe the research program has been anything less than first rate."<br /><br />Adhering to procedure does not make the result sound, this is ESPECIALLY true because measuring stuttering is so much more tricky than standard disorders like measuring the weight of someone...<br /><br />My rule is the slicker it looks the worse it is! Because real scientists really care about image...Tom Weidighttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02084153394215001999noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-12602489.post-79834177079498348802010-03-22T02:39:31.082+01:002010-03-22T02:39:31.082+01:00I'm in the study and haven't heard anythin...I'm in the study and haven't heard anything about the "lock" your reader mentions. I will check with my research center next week and will advise. <br /><br />Regarding your concerns, I doubt there is "one" statistician analyzing the data. Rather, I am inclined to believe there are many professionals working on this. My knowledge of the program is limited, but I haven't seen anything to lead me to believe the research program has been anything less than first rate. <br /><br />I've been blogging about my experiences with the study here:<br /><br />http://pagoclone.blogspot.com/-https://www.blogger.com/profile/04104365692112080505noreply@blogger.com